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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon Nagilum » 3. Jul 2012, 12:00

w201-16 hat geschrieben:"I know that a lot of people think they have a lot of power(another airfilter +10hp, another exhaust +15hp, red calipers +5hp +++),and when they take a dynotest they have less than org."]

Haha... "red calipers +5hp", that one was good. Bud sadly true.

We also had the idea of running my car with E85, but, as gagamehl mentioned, it's not so easy to configure the car for different alcohol/gasoline-ratios.
I could use a switch to manually change between 2 ignition/fuel-maps, but that won't be perfect if I have to change the fuel, at least for a short time.
Your new engine already has a knocksensor?
Is the fuelchange completely based on that sensor or do you switch between 2 (or more) maps for fuel/ignition?
I don't know if anyone ever tried to configure a knocksensor for the 16Vs and even if (s)he was successfull.

Can you give us some details about your 16V using E85? 35 HP is a huge difference and E85 is a lot cheaper than Super+ (98 octane).
Aaaannnd I have fuelstation nearby, that has E85. :)

gagamehl: Die KE kann und wird niemals "effizient" E85 nutzen, du müsstest nicht nur passend anfetten sondern auch die Zündzeitpunkte verstellen. Das ist nur sinnvoll wenn sich das individuell über das komplette Kennfeld machen lässt. Davon ab kannst du bei einer EFI zwischen dutzenden von Einspritzdüsen wählen und sie somit passend für dein Vorhaben dimensionieren (wenn die Kraftstoffpumpe mitspielt). Wenn du vor hast den 16V mit E85 zu betreiben und die Vorteile wirklich zu nutzen (und auch mal auf Super umsteigen können willst), kommst du ein einer EFI nicht (sinnvoll) vorbei. Dafür sollte man aber ggf. lieber auf den vorhandenen Thread ausweichen.
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 4. Jul 2012, 00:00

I hope that next year not are on the same date as the norwegian MB gatherings next year. This year are both gatherings on the same date as they are in germany.

There is a lot of wrong theories around E85. You know that there are a lot of flexifuelcars on the marked. I will empty my car of E85 and fill it up with 98oct and drive it a bit before I park it for a long time,but when I use it I will have E85, E46+++++ on the tank. I was told to not drive on Ethanol al the time, but use the fuel I find. There is just a few gas shop that have E85 here.
I don't have two programs. If that i must run on std fuel or E85. i now have a sensor that measure the fuel that runs thru the fuelrail. That's why I can run on 95oct,98oct and E1 to E85. On a ke-jetronic car will E85 be a problem as long the amount of fuel are set.

I did mount 550ccm injectors as long my dealer said i need that. When I get to use my car I will see how much more fuel it use. I dont beleve that it use 50% more.
I gues that I use about the same or +10% on daily driving.
My engine do get more air and give more power than stock so it will use a bit more fuel to, that's for sure.I don`t use the knock sensor, but it is on the engine.

On a racecar will this be different. As long E85 may produce wather in the oil do you need to change oil after every race. And a hard tuned engine will use a lot more fuel when it are mapped on E85. On a 600hp engine you can get +100hp more when it are mapped on E85.
If the engine knocks with regular fuel, will that stop with E85. Experts say that E85 are simular to 109okctane fuel. And that cost 3-4 times more than E85. But it are more safe on a std engine. There is no problem to use racefuel on a stock 2.3-16.
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 17. Nov 2012, 14:47

I'm not that good on updates,but here is som from the summer.

I have mounted a cover over the rear window:
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Some custom attachmentfeet:
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I got some semi-slick for track days:
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There was time for a track-day that we in the norwegian 190club held. Then I needed good fuel ;)
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Early at the track:
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A few min after I started the car at the track did the engine stop. I could not turn the engine at all. I removed the multirib belt to the kompressor and then the engine started. The kompressor didn't turn, so the day ended early for this car. But I had my evo so I did rape that car instead.



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I had a kompressor on stock so the car was up & running after a short time.

I have also mounted headrest in the rear:
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Some doortrim in the rear(front comes later:
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A storagebox in the front:
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It's time for winter in Norway so I needed som winterwheels. I get some new wintertires in 205/50x16 on my w210 avantgard rims:

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A video from the track-day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGGJRYrC ... GvldW78Sgg
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 23. Dez 2012, 21:04

Now it was time for the instrumet upgrade:
Light for the coolingfan. ASD-light upgraded to shiftlight aslong I have LSD-diff
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The fan start at 90deg. The instrument show 100deg when the enginewater are 90.
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The unit that adjust the speedometer
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finaly
Boost gauge, and marked the ASD-light wit shift
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ok match:
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With Led-light
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon Henger » 23. Dez 2012, 21:49

Sehr schöne Arbeit, vielen Dank für das zeigen :danke

Das ganze Projekt ist klasse :super :thumbright:

Gutes Gelingen noch und grüße nach Norwegen.

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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 24. Dez 2012, 12:41

thank you Frank.
My picture are a bit to big for the forum,but if you look at them seperatly you will see the real size.

(right click and view picture)
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon Nagilum » 24. Dez 2012, 14:44

A really interesting Project! A lot of work and well done.
I've choosen a gauge that only shows up to 1.5 bar because I like to see the pin moving. ;)

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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon Marvin16x » 25. Dez 2012, 02:28

It looks insane on those 18" >pentas< ... one of the best 190s i've ever seen. I'm like :shock: :shock: :shock:

Really looking forward to some more pics and videos :super

Take care of that beauty!
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 27. Dez 2012, 23:33

Nagilum hat geschrieben:A really interesting Project! A lot of work and well done.
I've choosen a gauge that only shows up to 1.5 bar because I like to see the pin moving. ;)

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Do you know of one in this design?
Now that I'm so satisfied with the boost gauge in the kombiinstrument I may change the Boost gauge in the centerconsolle to a air/fuel gauge.
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon Nagilum » 28. Dez 2012, 00:49

Yeah, look for "Racimex", they have them.
E.g.: Racimex Ladedruckanzeige
I have one, bought on ebay, but thei're only with black background, so you will have to improve, but I'm sure you can do so. ;)

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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 28. Dez 2012, 13:11

well, it's not autometer, and not a design nearly like them.
I think that one looks like some gauge at the 70's, so if i had a real oldtimer that may work, or a Volvo :-D

But I think I will buy one like this and polish the ring like the one I have. But right now I just want to drive :wink:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AutoMeter-5775- ... 5a&vxp=mtr

Or maybe one like this så it's like org.16v:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Autometer-Phant ... d1&vxp=mtr
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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon Nagilum » 28. Dez 2012, 14:28

Sorry, I don't know if there's any modern-looking gauge for boost. Try googling. ;)

If you're looking for a wide-band O2-gauge: http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php
I have the dicontinued XD-16. Oh and if you want to try/use (modern) E85 - choose lambda instead of AFR. ;)

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Re: 21st century 190E

Beitragvon w201-16 » 28. Dez 2012, 17:19

I dont want to change the two another gauge and the instrumentpanel så i must use autometer phantom-series.
I dont need the wideband lambda as long the engine are mapped with 98okt & E85 and runs on std MB/bosch lambda.
I already have the wire to the A/F(lambda)gauge behind the panel.
But the timer/racelogger from autometer was a idea. I have not seen that before now. Then it will be eaven moore "orginal equipment in modern look" in the car.
Eaven if I never had any use of the org. computer
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