Differences

[Racing]

When was the 170ps model introduced?
In what year,and..being such is it the same engine spec as the US 167 counterpart?

[Henger]

When was the 170ps model introduced?
In what year,and..being such is it the same engine spec as the US 167 counterpart?

Hi Jesper,

die letzten 2,3er mit 170PS wurden 1988 verkauft.
Ab mitte 1988 wurden schon 2,5er gebaut und verkauft.

Leider kann ich dir nicht sagen ob der Motor identisch mit der von dir genannten US -Version ist.
Das MB- Gerauchteile Center verkauft seit einiger Zeit neue 2,3er Motoren über ebay sehr günstig, zwischen 1600,--2200,- Euro.

Nette Grüße der Frank

[Racing]

Yeah..i´ve seen that as well.

Reason i ask really...is that from time to time i wonder if i´ve run into the 170PS models when working on my customers cars.

Me,i´ve got 3 engines íncluding the one in the car all in all..

That aside tho.
It is my understanding that at the intro of the 2.3-16 the power was declared as 185PS?
As such..i was kind of curious as to what year the 170PS models made their intro here in europe.

..and..as far as i´ve gathered the differences between the 170 and 185 ones is the ad of a catalyst and somewhat lesser compression?(9,7 vs 10,5)

[Henger]

Yeah..i´ve seen that as well.

Reason i ask really...is that from time to time i wonder if i´ve run into the 170PS models when working on my customers cars.

Me,i´ve got 3 engines íncluding the one in the car all in all..

That aside tho.
It is my understanding that at the intro of the 2.3-16 the power was declared as 185PS?
As such..i was kind of curious as to what year the 170PS models made their intro here in europe.

..and..as far as i´ve gathered the differences between the 170 and 185 ones is the ad of a catalyst and somewhat lesser compression?(9,7 vs 10,5)

OK mal schauen, es gab hier in Deutschland drei Versionen vom 2.3-16
709- 369; 190E 2.3-16 ECE; (136 kW) Bj-1984-85 vielleicht bis anfang 86
709- 388; 190E 2,3-16 Rüf; (130 kW) Bj-1985-86
709- 389; 190E 2.3-16 Kat; (125 kW) Bj-1986-88

Außer der Verdichtung gibt es noch mehr Unterschiede zwischen 185PS und Kat 170 PS, so sind die Kolben der 185PS-Version leichter und die Brennräume anderst gestalltet.
Wenn du möchtest kann ich es genau in Erfahrung bringen.

Wer soviel Reserve Motoren wie du besitzt, ist ein glücklicher Mensch

Der Frank

[Racing]

Uhu.
So..in that case..
Where would i find these 709 numbers?

As far as my "reserve motoren"..what´s even worse..i´ve got them dirt cheap;),as not all that many around here really know what they are

[Henger]

Uhu.
So..in that case..
Where would i find these 709 numbers?

As far as my "reserve motoren"..what´s even worse..i´ve got them dirt cheap;),as not all that many around here really know what they are

Hi Jesper,

die 709 bedeutet einfach den Herstellercode 0709=Mercedes bis 1989, danach wechselte dieser auf 0708. (Angaben im Fahrzeubrief)

Ich denke das ist nur für Deutschland intern.
So kann man zb. am Telefone teile bestellen nur mit diesen beiden Nr 709 / 369.
Ich denke das habt ihr bei euch in Schweden ähnlich gelöst, oder?


Gruß Frank

[Racing]

Uhu...ok.
In that case,is there really any practical way to tell them apart?

See..the catalyst laws were enforced in sweden in 88.
That means that most cars you run into that sported catalyst as new..has had them removed.
In other words..that is not a tell tale as far as what engine it might be.

[carbon]

yes you can tell them apart real' easy:
the newer engine with droped compression has a few more sensors on it's head and there for a little wider part for the sensors:
here you can see the difference:

my engine when i first got the car:


and just a couple months later..(at night)

[Racing]

You´re thinking of the difference in temp sensors?

[carbon]

this is how you can tell them apart in just a matter of seconds - isn't that what u wanted ?:popcorn i love this little popcorn eating fella

[Racing]

Yup.
You´re right.