Kurbelwelle/Crankshaft der 16Ventiler

[ukkonen]

Hello all,

I am new in your great forum. I live in Finland and here this 2.5-16 scene is relatively small. I write in English but can understand some German, so feel free to answer in German.

I put my first message here because i was so excited in these pictures about rods. I wonder, if anyone have specs or pictures of crankshaft? Of course everyone knows that I am thinking to built extra engine. Original crankshaft is aveilable but price is relatively high, 4530€, just for looking .

I am sure someone already ask rods from Pankl, also wonder if crank is made by Mercedes or also Pankl?

Best regards from Helsinki, ile

[ukkonen]

102.992crank.jpg

[Nagilum]

Looks like an Atec one - or are there more companies distributing crankshafts?
Don't have any specs about them.

Regards
- Nagi

[shaq]

I am sure someone already ask rods from Pankl, also wonder if crank is made by Mercedes or also Pankl?
Best regards from Helsinki, ile

Hi Ile and welcome to 16v Forum,

Crankshaft is made by Mercedes not Pankl, it has the same shape as 2.5-16v crankshaft with 4 counterweights (evo1 and 2.3 16 have 8 counterweights) but stroke is shorter comparing to standard 2.5-16.

Details are to be found in this book: Einführungsschrift Evo II and we can provide that page showing crankshaft is no problem. It is forged like every Mercedes crankshaft and rod area is additionaly hardened as for every 16v compared to standard 190Es. Maybe you can find a company to produce it, Brabus used to produce their cranks somewhere in England some of us will have also interest in buying those for a better price than 4xxx Euros.

Regards
Nikola.

[ukkonen]

Hello all,

and thank you for all information what you can give me in advance. This is original crank from DB. I need also one rod(made by Pankl) just for inspect the thing and as an example, if anyone can sell me or just borrow, would be exellent. Pistons should not be a problem and i have them. Even if it is not possible to have rods from Pankl i need one to make exact same I-profile rods. Dont want to open the engine for that purpose.

Nikola: there is two distributors in England, price about 3500€, so that is not option.

Best regards,
ile

[shaq]

Also you can use Volvo H-type Conrods as Michael from Sweden did Volvo B230 Turbo H-Conrods they are very similar to Pankl rods but costs only a fraction the price.

Also what I know that SAAB B203 Turbo Engine has Crankshaft very similar in dimensions to Evo Crankshaft as one guy from that scene used Evo1 Crankshaft later on in his SAAB engine. And SAAB is not expensive either.


Nikola.

[ukkonen]

Yes, there is several options and producers for conrods, just want to copy original also visually. I think one value is, that if i say this is like 102.992 engine with all parts. All parts is then produced for that engine. Or what people think? In my opinion someone like me in the future might want to buy "original look a like" 992 engine? My friend here in Finland make very powerfull Volvo evo engines and he also suggested that we should use Volvo evo parts that is an other story to built outlaw racing engine than 992. Bore can be 97 but stroke have to be mabe also near 100 then can use parts whatever suits best for that purpose.

this start to be oftopic from what Fränk made this topic to be, what would be the right thread?

Br, ile

[Nagilum]

The best option would be that one of the mods cuts the posts off and moves them into a new thread.

Sounds all interesting. Stroke of 100 mm? That's a lot for our "high reving" engines.

Regards
- Christof

[manu1702]

Hier eine originale, nicht bearbeitete Evo1 KW mit den 8 Gegengewichten

[ukkonen]

Manu: what is weight of that EVO1 crank?

[manu1702]

I don´t know, sorry. Its already back in the engine!

[shaq]

Ein TIP von mir

MB hat alles in Database braucht man nicht Teile zu wiegen:

1. Teilenummer aus EPC rausfinden
2. Ins Preisliste hinzufügen (auch Internet Teilehändler geben oft das Gewicht neben dem Preis wenn man sucht)
3. Man weiß Gewicht in Gramm genau.

Morgen kann Ich 100% genau sagen aber ungefähr:

Kurbelwelle Evo1 A1020301301 kg 18,900
Kurbelwelle Evo2 A1020301401 kg ........

(Daten aus Internet, ohne Gewähr, Morgen kann Ich genau teilen weil im Garage habe Ich EPC Preislist aus 190er Zeiten und alle Teile sind in Gramm genau gelistet was ist sehr interessant wenn man baut andere Bremsen, Felgen usw. ein)

MfG
N.

[ukkonen]

Danke Schön,

MfG, ile

Ein TIP von mir

MB hat alles in Database braucht man nicht Teile zu wiegen:

1. Teilenummer aus EPC rausfinden
2. Ins Preisliste hinzufügen (auch Internet Teilehändler geben oft das Gewicht neben dem Preis wenn man sucht)
3. Man weiß Gewicht in Gramm genau.

Morgen kann Ich 100% genau sagen aber ungefähr:

Kurbelwelle Evo1 A1020301301 kg 18,900
Kurbelwelle Evo2 A1020301401 kg ........

(Daten aus Internet, ohne Gewähr, Morgen kann Ich genau teilen weil im Garage habe Ich EPC Preislist aus 190er Zeiten und alle Teile sind in Gramm genau gelistet was ist sehr interessant wenn man baut andere Bremsen, Felgen usw. ein)

MfG
N.

[shaq]

2316 kw.PNG

2516 KW.PNG

evo1 KW.PNG

Keine Info über Gewicht von Evo2 KW, nur das ist wegen 4 Gegengewichten leichter als Evo1 KW mit 8 GG

Kurbelwelle
2.3-16 A1020302101 19,650kg
2.5-16 A1020300901 18,660kg
Evo1 A1020300301 18,900kg
Evo2 A1020300401 derzeit Unbekannt aber < 18,900kg laut WIS

Pleuel (Fränks Thema)

Ur 2.3-16 ECE 866,5g
Später 2.3-16 674,6g
2.5-16 679,6g (Jetzt nur als 700g M104 Pleuel lieferbar)
Evo1 716,8g
Evo2 560,7g

Schwungrad + Kranz = 7,74 + 1,1kg für 2.5-16, Evo1 und Evo2

Kolben
Ur 2.3-16 derzeit Unbekannt
2.3-16 Std A1020306419 735g, Rep. St. 1 A1020305137 735g und Rep. St. 2 A1020309337 720g
2.5-16 Std A1020309137 keine Info, Rep. St. 1 A1020309237 670g und Rep. St. 2 A1020309337 681g
Evo1 A1020300338 keine Info
Evo2 A1020304338 630g

[Henger]

Hallo Leute

Das genaue Gewicht der Evo II Kurbelwelle beträgt 16,7 kg ± 3%

Gruß Fränk

[Steffen102992]

Hi Folks!

Hat jemand ein Foto einer originalen 2,5-16 Kurbelwelle ?
Und kann mir etwas dazu sagen, welche Nummern da drauf stehen sollten?
Ich glaube eine Teilenummer werde ich da nicht drauf finden.