16v motortuning

[Henger]

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Carbon...what can i say...
My hat is off to you
Fantastic...just fantastic..
I owe you one guys!!

[evojonny]

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Hi Jonny.
I´ll try n keep my english simple then.
This;



..is an example of "einzeldrosseln" for my 8 liter chevrolet bigblock.
Carbon fibre intake stacks,EFI asf..(Never mind the nitrous and so on)

das ist ein beispiel für einzeldrosseln an meinem 8liter chevrolet bigblock.
Carbon-Ansaugstutzen (Kohlestofffaserverstärter Kunststoff), EFI usw.. (mal abgesehn von der [Nitroanlage] und so weiter)

From a practical standpoint.
Running a setup like that on a "saugmotor" work great.
Drawbacks,would be that the throttle pedal gets sensitive.
zB-very little movement on the throttle makes for great changes at the motor.
This,by practical reasons.

aus praktischer sicht.
so eine konfiguration läuft bei einen Saugmotor super.
Nachteile, wären dass das gaspedal sehr empfindlich wird.
sprich kleinste bewegungen am gas machen einen großen unterschied beim motor.
[soviel zur pratischen seite?]

Cost.
If you do the job yourself,i´d say just the other side of 1000+ euro.

kosten.
wenn du das selber machst, würde ich sagen knapp über 1000Euro

[Frank]

Hillborn injection???

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yup
An old 65mm Hilborn from a 1976 vintage can-am car.
"somewhat" modified tho

[evojonny]

zeig doch mal den ganzen chevy.

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Take a look in the "off topic" forum.
Under "schwedishes panzar"

[evojonny]

kannst du mir den link geben den ich das forum nicht finden.

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Scroll down the page a little...

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Kugelfisher as well as the Bosch "zahnradpumpen"...

Look.
1st you need to understand the difference in parameter control.
A fuel injection system can be;
1/Alpha numerically controlled.
This means that the MAIN control parameter is the linear function of the throttle.
In other words..the fuel outlet is proportional to how much you depress the gas.
2/Speed density controlled.
This means that there´s some sort of measurement of the amount of air running into the motor.
Either..as the K,KE and early Bosch "L" units via some sort of flap or..via a so called MAP sensor.(basically a piezo element)

The latter one..will be more "in tune" with the engines relative volumetric needs,while the alpha numericals will be in a way "force fed" with a specific amount of fuel-wherther the engine wants it or not.

The kugelfisher-found on early BMW M10 engines,a VAST array of diesel engines(peugeot comes to mind)is an alpha based proposition.
Bosch pumps...were basically a more advanced variant of the kugelfishers.

In their last stages the Bosch pumps that could be found on certain mercedes models,Porsches asf were even compensated for by mechanical means as far as barometric states,temperature and so on.

A "zahnrad pumpe" by definition is a sort of camshaft that runs small pistons that run in specific displacement cylinders.
At the top of each cylinder there´s a valve that keep the fuel run in one direction.
The pump itself..is driven by a belt off either the cam or the crankshaft.

By the use of an eccenter the amount of horizontal movement of the cam is controlled,and in essence you could say that the fuel displacement is a linear function of how much the cam is moved(each lobe is eliptic and somewhat skewed in apperance for lack of better word)

Anyways.
This movement..is controlled by mechanical means(a control rod)via the throttle valve.
Ergo..the system per se is an Alpha numerical by definition.

The kugelfisher and Bosch in contrast to for instance the Italian Spica are reffed as three dimensional,while the Spica,english tecalamit asf are refed as two dimensional.

(Come to think of it even Ferrari used them in the 50s-amongst others)

A number of yrs back we played around with them all.
The kugel and Boschs on the "S and RS and RSR Porsches as well as rallycross VWs,and the spica..

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To reply to your last question.
No.
EFI and the Kugel and so forth are NOT inter related.
Not in any way.

In fact,the only engines run in alpha numerical these days are pure rennsport engines-and that is changing by the minute as well.

Reason..is that a MAP controlled electronic system gives much greater control vs load parameters,and the fact is that most high end systems these days interface the poss between the two setups.
Ie;you control the idle(leerlauf) and thereabouts areas in alpha,and as soon as the engines vaccum stabilizes..you let the EFI convert to MAP(speed density) instead of the reasons mentioned above.

With a turbo engine for instance...alpha controlled systems are downright dangerous as they cant compensate in the manner needed for diverced circumstances like weather and so forth.

The Haltech F9A-8 that i use on the bigblock..is Alpha tho..so far

[Blizzard]

Hallo zu sammen was könnte das bringen wenn mann bei enem
2,0l koplette evoII auspuffanlage und benzinpupe von einem 2.6l
verbaut und ein 2,6l nokelwell noch dazu ? ich möchte
wens geht aus meinem mb 2,0l mit 110ps noch 100 ps raus hollen
Gruss Blizzard

[Maki]

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[der martin]

wirst keine 6ender Nockenwelle auf nen 2,0er bauen

[LUDE]

[Henger]

[wildgen]

[Rouven036]

@Blizzard: bevor du dir über tuning gedanken machst, solltest du dich mit der technik deines fahrzeuges und u.u. mit den verschieden motorvarianten vertraut machen oder am besten gleich zu atu gehen.
wenn du dann die 21o ps hast solltest du aber unbedingt, in anbetracht der imensen leistung, über ein sperrfifferential nachdenken.
man kann es relativ einfach selber bauen:


oder wie der uwe schon sagt, du trollllllst dich ganz schnell wieder